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Gamelan and Silat training London
« on: 24/12/2007 09:42 »
Just back from some research in London and got some great info, was told about these two clips of gamelan and silat in London, got a few others which I put up over the next week, should be interesting. They are very good and show the grace and skill of the silat there.. what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW9pvSKG04k

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50iAS37OynE&feature=related

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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #1 on: 24/12/2007 13:42 »
The firsts clip is to dark to see the movement of those players
my first opinion on that one is that the music don't fits the movement,
the music is a standard partern used for "kembangan" purposes, what I saw this was a sort of fight, music should be different and following te movement of those players.

The second clip has nothing to do with Pencak Silat, it is a Gamalan Group training music for a Wayang performence, it sounds like it is from east-java, but I think it is also not pure



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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #2 on: 24/12/2007 16:22 »
Hi Eric

Thank you, for taking the time to post your views, to be honest I'm not an expert on these things, so I find it very helpful to know these things. Sorry about the video clip not being of high quality, was interested to know it wasn't the right music on both clips, its one of the problems we in West have, maybe doing silat to the wrong music, which isnt showing respect to the Indonesian culture and its silly innocent mistakes like this, which can lead to scorn and enless rows.

If you (or anyone else )can tell or add anything more, I would be most grateful.

Optimus

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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #3 on: 24/12/2007 18:08 »
Optimus; thats the biggest problem we have here in the West

the musicplayers follow the movement of the performer, if one does it the otherway around it looks "at least" strange in de eyes of someone who knows a little like myself

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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #4 on: 24/12/2007 21:21 »
@Kang Eric,
I've never seen a Traditional Silat school do kembangan with Gamelan music background. Usually the background music is done with the Gendang and traditional trumpet. These are done mainly by west javanese styles and some sumatran styles.
From what I know many Silat styles in Central Java, East Java, or Bali don't use music background when they do kembangan. These are the areas where Gamelan music is common. Is this true ?
Can you shed some light in this ?
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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #5 on: 24/12/2007 21:48 »
That is true Godam,

In Bali you can see pencak Silat performed with full Gamelan orchesta
Almost the same in East-Java,
In central-Java the gamelan is already reduced to a smaller set
In west-java it is the Gendang, the Gong, the Fluit/Tarompet and sometimes the Rebab (a violin with one string)
In Banten they add again the Bonang (an Gamelan instrument) but that is of East-javanese influences in the banten area, for exaple you can watch the Terumbu and Kera Putih silat.
In Lampung (sumatera) it is almost the same as in Banten
In Padang the main instrument is the bamboo-Fluit with some Gendang and Rebab to accompany

This matter is so complex it will take me a view days to give you some explanation if we could meet face to face, can you imagine what it wil do if I have to do this in writing.

I hope you now have a small light shining in the back of a long tunnel ;)

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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #6 on: 24/12/2007 22:05 »
Eric, is there a website you could refer us to?  Maybe a book you could recommend? 

Can anyone else possibly recommend a book?  Preferably in English, but French works almost as well for me.

Thanks!

Michael

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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #7 on: 24/12/2007 22:18 »
Michael,

I have to use Google also, my old computer crashed a view weeks ago
I'm still unable to get data from the old harddisk



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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #8 on: 01/02/2008 16:13 »
Salam,

as it comes to music in Pencak Silat, please allow me to join some information I received during my research in West and Central Java, West Sumatra, and Bali. The focus of my research was and still is Sunda (West Java) and Minangabau (West Sumatra), the research was started in 1990 and still runs today - so I will try to shortcut things the best I can: 

Hi Eric

Thank you, for taking the time to post your views, to be honest I'm not an expert on these things, so I find it very helpful to know these things. Sorry about the video clip not being of high quality, was interested to know it wasn't the right music on both clips, its one of the problems we in West have, maybe doing silat to the wrong music, which isnt showing respect to the Indonesian culture and its silly innocent mistakes like this, which can lead to scorn and enless rows.

If you (or anyone else )can tell or add anything more, I would be most grateful.

Optimus

West Java:
There are several traditions of music accompaniment within the "Ibing Penca / Penca Kembangan", namely: Gendang/Kendang Penca(k), Gendang Patingtung, Genjring Dogdog, Terbangan, Gembyung, Rampak Bedug / Adu Bedug.

I will focus here on the best known and by far most spread ensemble type, which is called Gendang Penca (this term is used in the ex Betawi (today JaBoTaBek) territories), respectively Kendang Pencak (especially Parahyangan area territories).

The ensemble is built by four players (nayaga): One player uses the gendang/kendang indung, one uses the gendang/kendang anak. Both ot them use two additional small barrel drums kulanter each. The gendang/kendang indung provides the tepak or rhythmic form. This serves for giving the pesilat a framework for his/her movement. The gendang/kendang anak provides the accents, this intrument directly relates to the pesilats actions and interpunctuates them. The next instrument is the tarompet. The player of this instrument relates to the character of the pesilat and gives it a programmatic suite of a decent strong or soft, fast or slow character, corresponding to that of the pesilat. Finally comes the goong Penca (or bende), who closes the tepak with a stroke and initiates the next jurus.

As can be seen from this depiction, the music both provides a sound continuum and a dynamic underlining for the pesilat, it provides both action and reaction.

There are several tepak which are used in a suite-like form sequence during a performance of traditional Ibingan Penca / Penca Kembangan. The following sequences of tepak are most common:

# tepak paleredan ("The tepak from Plered") - tepak tilu ("tepak No. III") - tepak padungdung gancang ("fast tepak for the fighting"): This sequence is the basic performance suite, it provides the tightest rhythm (irama) and therefore is best suited for young and not yet very experienced students.

# tepak dua ("tepak No. II") - tepak tilu - tepak padungdung gancang: Similar to the first, but as the tepak dua provides a more open irama, this sequence demands more abilities from behalf of the pesilat to do it properly. Some traditional pesilat interconnect this sequence with a style sequence, the start with jurus Penca Cimande within the tp. II, then jurus Penca Cikalong within the tp. III, then free application of both styles mixed within the padungdung gancang.

# tepak dua - tepak tilu - tepak padungdung anca ("slow tepak for the fighting"): This sequence provides a seemingly strange inversion of dynamics. As for the tempo raises (naék) from tp. II to tp. III and then goes down again in the padungdung anca, it demands the most profiency from the pesilat to not break the tension of the performance. It is usually only played for a master of the art, and it can be a breathtaking experience for the audience. I had the luck seeing this sequence performed by several masters during the years, and it always gave me a skin when watching.

Some (nowadays) less common sequence of forms are:

# tepak dua ("tepak No. II") - tepak golempang - tepak padungdung gancang: The "golempang" is a special form in which the pesilat enters the area while searching/inviting an opponent for a (friendly) match. The inviting persilat does not show how 'strong' he is, but just the opposite of that. I.e. he plays being an old man, holding his back with a pain struck face, just as he hardly can move any longer. He makes some jokes out of his staging, to the very amusement of the audience. You will hear bursts of laughter from the children in the kampung, grasping for air while laughing. But someone should not take this played behavior for granted - you can bet anyone starting a golempang can be expected to be a full master of the art. Unfortunately this beautiful social performance mode of the Penca has come somewhat out of use during the last years.

# tepak salancar Cimande / tepak hiji ("plain tepak from Cimande / tepak No. I") - tepak padungdung gancang: As the name of the first tepak suggests, this sequence to my knowledge is only done in the traditional performance of the "Ibing Tepak Salancar Cimande", the very form from which the "Ibing Penca" grew.

A video sample of this wonderful old "Ibing Tepak Salancar Cimande" - and some more of the music accompaniments discussed - you will find here:
http://www.ethnomedia.de/media/mediaLib01.htm

respectively here:
http://www.ethnomedia.de/projects/index.htm#s03_001

The recording was done on 30th of October 1994 in Tari Kolot, Cimande.

West Sumatra:
Here you will find the following genres of music within traditional "Silek Minang": The flutes bansi and saluang, and the double reed aerophone sarunai, often combined with the drum gandang.

A video sample of a "langkah limo" from "Silek Tuo" with a "saluang darek" you will find here:

http://www.ethnomedia.de/media/mediaLib04.htm

The recording was done on 26th of March 1995 in Bukittinggi.

Further, within a special traditional performance mode of silek, called "Luambek", you will find a style of singing, called "dampeang".

A video sample of a "Luambek" with corresponding "dampeang" singing you can find here:

http://www.ethnomedia.de/media/mediaLib03.htm

The recording was done on 31st of March 1995 in Nagari Sicincin.

Though it can be read here and there, I never happened to meet a talempong gong chime within a "silek" performance. This instrument is common for the "tari Silek" (i.e. tari Pasambahan / Galombang, tari Piriang), but not for the actual "silek".

Music accompaniment in "silek Minang" is always additional, never mandatory. The one big exception is the "Luambek", which always has to be guided (in a close sense) by the "dampeang" singing.

Central Java:
There have been applications of gamelan until about the 1920ies, and those have been revived during the 1980-90ies. I did some research at the Kraton Hadiningrat in Yogya in 1995 when the revival was still going on. A most impressive and beautiful sample of the application of this new 'old' performance practice could be observed during the Pencak Silat World Championship in Jakarta 1992 (there is a commercial video of this event available from ABANICO Prod.), when the Indonesian National team used it within a (strongly Tapak Suci influenced) "Jurus Regu" presentation which saved them a gold medal then. Current status of the performance practice is - again - uncertain.

Bali:
Several smaller gamelan ensemble types are used within traditional Balinese Pencak Silat. The oldest evidence in literature on Balinese gamelan within Pencak Silat can be found within a book named "Dance and Drama in Bali" which was written by the German-Russian painter/artist Walter Spies together with the British choreographer Beryl de Zoete in the early 1930ies.

For those who are interested in further details on music in Pencak Silat performance I suggest to have an eye on this websites:

http://www.ethnomedia.de/area/linklibs/projlink.htm

You will find several books and texts which the writer of these lines has published during the recent years. Further requests are of course welcome, don't hesitate to contact me with a PM. You're always welcome!

Salam hormat

Ilmu Padi

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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #9 on: 01/02/2008 17:23 »
Ilmu Padi!

Salamat Hormat! Thanks for posting this very informative material.

Would you mind if I edited it a bit (not for content) and put it on my website?

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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #10 on: 01/02/2008 17:44 »
@Russian Silat:

You are welcome to quote this text in your website. Just, please give it a quote to this website and the ethnomedia.de website for a correct source reference.

Salam hormat,

Ilmu Padi

Ilmu Padi!

Salamat Hormat! Thanks for posting this very informative material.

Would you mind if I edited it a bit (not for content) and put it on my website?

Regards,

Russian Silat


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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #11 on: 02/02/2008 08:56 »
...Gendang Penca (this term is used in the ex Betawi (today JaBoTaBek) territories),...
A small correction Mas Ilmu Padi: Jabotabek (Jakarta Bogor Tangerang Bekasi) now is called JaBoDeTaBek (Jakarta Bogor Depok Tangerang Bekasi). It is still in a lot of discussions to call this area as Megapolitan Jakarta.

Salam...

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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #12 on: 02/02/2008 15:55 »
@dsbasuki:

Yes, you are right: Depok is now included into the Greater Jakarta area. It is sometimes difficult to keep on track with Indonesian administration changes if you are 10.000 km afar ;) ... it is good to have a good observer at the other 'doorstep' within the Internet ...

By the way: As I see you are from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. How's about joining in an overview on the Pencak Silat related music performance traditions in Malaysia? Until now I hadn't a chance yet to do research in Malaysia (I am working on that), but I know from Malaysian colleagues that there are strong traditions there, too. Especially known is the Gendang Melayu / Gendang Silat (from Kedah area, if I am not wrong), and traditions from Negri Sembilan area. But there hasn't yet been published much on that topic until now. I remember just some general descriptions from ethnomusicologists Patricia Matusky and Tan Sooi Beng.

Salam hormat

Ilmu Padi

...Gendang Penca (this term is used in the ex Betawi (today JaBoTaBek) territories),...
A small correction Mas Ilmu Padi: Jabotabek (Jakarta Bogor Tangerang Bekasi) now is called JaBoDeTaBek (Jakarta Bogor Depok Tangerang Bekasi). It is still in a lot of discussions to call this area as Megapolitan Jakarta.

Salam...
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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #13 on: 02/02/2008 20:42 »
Salam Mas Ilmu Padi,
Even though I am living in KL, but unfortunately, I don't really stay for a long period of time. I travel a lot due to my job. My silat background is Silat Perisai Diri. If you know Mas Chandrasa, he was my instructor and also is my senior brother. On the other hand, I also know nothing about gamelan or gendang pencak. My knowledge about this subject is close to nil.  :-\

I humbly apologize for my shortcoming.

Thank you and jabat erat...

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Re: Gamelan and Silat training London
« Reply #14 on: 03/02/2008 15:58 »
@dsbasuki:

 :-\

Sorry for inconveniences, I forgot that not everbody is fascinated by music ... Please don't mind my mindlessness, ok?

Salam,

Ilmu Padi

P.S:
But, I mean, wouldn't that be a good idea? Perhaps there are some others on this forum (if not here, where else in this world?) who can give some brief profile of any performance practice - both traditional and modern, SEAsia-based or grown somewhere else - where music is included into Pencak Silat performance practice. Kendang Pencak, Gamelan, Rock, Ambient, Techno ... any experiences welcome.

I know since the international tournaments of PERSILAT have dropped music performance from the competitions, there is little public interest in this aspect (?):

… Yes, this is correct. We are not using music during performance practice.

Or:

… No, this perception is not appropriate. We do the following kind of music within performance practice: ………

 8) Just fill out the fitting answer ... please with a brief description why or why not music is used.

Well, it's up to you, of course.

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