Harmony and Living together among Pecak Silat Educational Institutions

[Ranggalana]

....When I was in Jakarta my friends took me to Tarikolot/Bogor "Cimande Village" just to do some research on Cimande.  The Pendekar we spoke with - who funny enough is mentioned on Willliam Sanders webpage - told us he was very upset by the actions and words of Mr. Sanders.  I do not mention the pendekar's name because I do not feel it is polite to do so but if you ask me in private i will tell you.  Unfortunately this is the only info I can give you but I hope this shows you that there are many teachers in the US that claim to be Pendekar of Cimande or whatever, that do not even have the respect of their Elders. ......
Hormat,
Nicholas 

Adik Nicholas, you are truly becoming the sunda warrior your nick claims to be. I think I can imagine correctly who the pendekar who got upset was. Sanders' actions and words have no respect for the sociology of the TariK Kolot village and by claiming that a certain pendekar is the highest level he belitles this man's neighbours. This causes painful rifts in the village and insya'allah Sanders will be called to account for this, sooner rather than later. Amin.

Well, actually posts in the forum of this website are calling him to come clean but IMO he is a coward and will not show up. Apparently people have been giving him attention because of his big claims since the last millenium, as a thread from 1999 linked by Aikijutsu in an other thread here shows.

Selamat berlatih!
Bram.

[AbdUllah]

I agree that it is important to try keep every spring sweet or the whole river goes sour. I inshaAllah hope someday to be in one of those authentic springs.
I guess therefore i see why Bram gets annoyed at William Sanders' style and what could be perceived as a ripping off of 2,000 years of tradition.

[AR]

Dear my brothers in pencak silat,
So many misconceptions about pencak silat is spreading out there, so this forum is one of the gift to give the right concepts of pencak silat which has been done by our people in Indonesia. I saw lots of topics regarding the title pendekar claimed by some people in some countries, so we have to understand the terminology of "pendekar" itself. We can also compare the terminology of "pendekar" with "jago" or "jawara".
"Pendekar" is a title given by society to a master of pencak silat art that qualified to held that title by his expertise in pencak silat techniques and his attitude towards his enemy, friends, students and his society that shows his noble characters. so if a pencak silat master without noble character, we could call him "jawara" or "jago" NOT "pendekar". Also the title pendekar are given by society, not claimed by himself or his students.
I hope explanation will clarify about pendekar title.


Salam Hormat

AR

http://www.silatcenter.com

[Ranggalana]

Dear my brothers in pencak silat,
So many misconceptions about pencak silat is spreading out there, so this forum is one of the gift to give the right concepts of pencak silat which has been done by our people in Indonesia. I saw lots of topics regarding the title pendekar claimed by some people in some countries, so we have to understand the terminology of "pendekar" itself. We can also compare the terminology of "pendekar" with "jago" or "jawara".
"Pendekar" is a title given by society to a master of pencak silat art that qualified to held that title by his expertise in pencak silat techniques and his attitude towards his enemy, friends, students and his society that shows his noble characters. so if a pencak silat master without noble character, we could call him "jawara" or "jago" NOT "pendekar". Also the title pendekar are given by society, not claimed by himself or his students.
I hope explanation will clarify about pendekar title.


Salam Hormat

AR

http://www.silatcenter.com

I agree with everything Mas Andi Rafiandi here says. Selamat memperjuangkan kebenaran silat!

Salam hangat,
Bram

[trumbu]

i thing, pendekar is pesilat which can make her or his live whith true if meet trouble

[AbdUllah]

Dear my brothers in pencak silat,
So many misconceptions about pencak silat is spreading out there, so this forum is one of the gift to give the right concepts of pencak silat which has been done by our people in Indonesia. I saw lots of topics regarding the title pendekar claimed by some people in some countries, so we have to understand the terminology of "pendekar" itself. We can also compare the terminology of "pendekar" with "jago" or "jawara".
"Pendekar" is a title given by society to a master of pencak silat art that qualified to held that title by his expertise in pencak silat techniques and his attitude towards his enemy, friends, students and his society that shows his noble characters. so if a pencak silat master without noble character, we could call him "jawara" or "jago" NOT "pendekar". Also the title pendekar are given by society, not claimed by himself or his students.
I hope explanation will clarify about pendekar title.


Salam Hormat

AR

http://www.silatcenter.com

MashaAllah