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santri kinasih

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Silat's forgotten things
« on: 27/09/2009 22:42 »
1. Do you know that most of  traditional silat styles are taught in 4 levels? Downloading, discussion and debate,  dialogue and generative dialogue..
2. Do you know that a silat master is sometimes an NLP or a hypnosis expert as well?
3. Do you know that everybody can be pesilat without having to undergo a hard  physical trainin
g?
4. Do you know that in the philosophy of old silat styles, silat has never been meant to create a fight master?
5. Do you know that we can found silat's principles in every great leader or even CEOs?

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Re: Silat's forgotten things
« Reply #1 on: 28/09/2009 17:52 »
2. Do you know that a silat master is sometimes an NLP or a hypnosis expert as well?
Confirmed... I learned this the hard way  :-X

3. Do you know that everybody can be pesilat without having to undergo a hard  physical trainin
g?
More on this pleaseeeeeeeeeeee..........  :P :P :P :P :P
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Re: Silat's forgotten things
« Reply #2 on: 28/09/2009 22:58 »
Mr Santri: what do you teach, I hope to learn everyday, you make me curious

tell us something more

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Re: Silat's forgotten things
« Reply #3 on: 01/10/2009 17:24 »

Master Antara and Oom Eric,k there is one method in Betawi called Ngukir...Ngukir literally means sculpting.. In the old teaching of cingkrik Sinan, ngukir theoretically means practicing silat with your sub conscious mind...There is no 'drill' in mastering a move..you just need to allocate the memory of such move in a particular place in your brain...
Confused? hope not..

In Silek Kumango, there are two teaching method of silat..one is called silek tagak (Stand up silat), while the other is called siled duduak..Silek tagak is silat that most of us know...A hard physical training...whilst silek duduak is simply a conversation between the master and the disciples...Silek duduak is not a just a conservation...we call a generative dialogue...a dialogue that brings the heart and mind of both to a certain situation...This dialogue is so powerful, and the disciples can learn some silat moves just by having this kind of conversation...

There are a lot of examples...how this method works..one of which is one of Master Antara's brother in golok seliwa, Ely beeng.., who knocked out 2 armed robbers...The funny thing is, Ely spent only a little time in physical training..but he had a lot of dialogue with the master...Yet.., when things get hot, he just knows how to move with seliwa's principles...Funny but it's real

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Re: Silat's forgotten things
« Reply #4 on: 01/10/2009 20:09 »
Quote from: santri kinasih

Master Antara and Oom Eric,k there is one method in Betawi called Ngukir...Ngukir literally means sculpting.. In the old teaching of cingkrik Sinan, ngukir theoretically means practicing silat with your sub conscious mind...There is no 'drill' in mastering a move..you just need to allocate the memory of such move in a particular place in your brain...
Confused? hope not..

Very interesting, Uda. What exactly are the disciples doing when performing ngukir? Is it some sort of imagineering?

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In Silek Kumango, there are two teaching method of silat..one is called silek tagak (Stand up silat), while the other is called siled duduak..Silek tagak is silat that most of us know...A hard physical training...whilst silek duduak is simply a conversation between the master and the disciples...Silek duduak is not a just a conservation...we call a generative dialogue...a dialogue that brings the heart and mind of both to a certain situation...This dialogue is so powerful, and the disciples can learn some silat moves just by having this kind of conversation...

Again, most fascinating.
I imagine it would be similar with NLP, where dialogue is geared toward one's multi senses, emotion and perception. Or is it? I should sit and learn more...

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There are a lot of examples...how this method works..one of which is one of Master Antara's brother in golok seliwa, Ely beeng.., who knocked out 2 armed robbers...The funny thing is, Ely spent only a little time in physical training..but he had a lot of dialogue with the master...Yet.., when things get hot, he just knows how to move with seliwa's principles...Funny but it's real

I believe Bang Ely learned something other than Seliwa? A kanuragan style of martial art?
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Re: Silat's forgotten things
« Reply #5 on: 01/10/2009 23:07 »
@antara:

1. Ngukir is a actually a meditation technique...whilst other meditation technique would ask you to bring 'yourself" a peaceful place..., ngukir is the other way around...Bring 'yourself' to a chaotic situation..a life threatening one..then wait you will see..how 'yourself' would teach you how to move...

2. Generative dialogue is not NLP...it's a dialogue between two human beings...from the same origin and headed to the same direction, eventually..
The dialogue would give hints, what sort of things lie between the origin and the final destination...

check this out: when feet are on the ground, heart and mind are connected to the existence of being, whilst breath are repatriated to its real owner, what would you feel? You would feel nothing..no thoughts, No senses, No will at all...except the will that follows the commitment with the sense....

3. No comment...but a maybe a little...ely said it was seliwa who came out of his moves...

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Re: Silat's forgotten things
« Reply #6 on: 02/10/2009 07:26 »
Do you know that the other terms of silat is pencak?
we the Eastern Java practitioner have more familier with terms "pencak" or combination of both as "pencak silat".
terms silat itself without pencak, for us is more likes Malayo martial arts.

Over here we also have a famous martial arts novelist, called Ko Ping Ho, he also used terms "silat" for describing the act of ancient martial arts from China mainland.

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Re: Silat's forgotten things
« Reply #7 on: 02/10/2009 22:19 »
Do you there are, maybe, more than a dozen names of silat? maen pukulan in betawi, maenpo in cianjur, silek in minang, gayong in riau and malaysia..(??)...

Do you know that silat may have been in existence since 100 A.D?


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Re: Silat's forgotten things
« Reply #8 on: 02/10/2009 22:35 »
Do you know that silat terms also used in southern filipino? other names in there called kali-silat and silak...

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Re: Silat's forgotten things
« Reply #9 on: 02/12/2009 09:45 »
learn and master the Indonesian Pure pencak silat?? and dedicated all my life in lerning and mastering it..please help me

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Re: Silat's forgotten things
« Reply #10 on: 02/12/2009 12:22 »
So many choices bro...better you make study from topics "aliran pencak silat" or "video silat". Throw question or topics to get more information on this forum.

And you can choose which is suitable with your personal requirement. Many lineage with various masters, you only need your "inner decision".
Good luck, with best wishes ...
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