Forum Sahabat Silat
English Version => Pencak Silat Schools and Teachers => Topic started by: hiyafolks on 25/06/2008 05:00
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Dear Members,
Please could anyone inform to me if there are any Cikalong,Sera,Pamacan teacher's that are instructing in Europe as I would welcome the oppertunity to study if possible?
I read on a previous post that Pencak Silat Panglipur incorparates the three styles that Im enquering about,but to what percentage of Jurus,Lankahs,Aplications from Cikalong,Sera,Pamacan are in the Panglipur curriculum?
Please would it also be possible to gain a insight to the weapons used in the three styles if anyone has informtion.
Thank you,
Stevie
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Dear Stevie,
I'm living in Holland myself and can reply you in this matter
In Europe there are no persons who have the complete curriculum of one style !
You are mentioning 3 styles and one Perguruan, how is it possible that a man is able to master this all ?
What do you search for, what is your background/experience ?
There are a lot of people who claim to have the whole package, you can read my sincere doubts above.
Please give me some more input, then I'll try to help you further
regards;
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Hallo Stevie, welcome in home!
Where do you live actually in Europa?
It's very hard to find a teacher who mastered all that 3 old styles, even if you are looking for that in its home, Indonesian.
All the styles you've mentioned have very different "basic principle" (kaidah or kaedah) one from another. If you found your self in this case, many old teachers said, firstly you have to mastered one style completly than move to another style. That what Abah Aleh (The Founder of Panglipur) had done. But, if you only want to know what is exactly Cikalong, Sera and Pamacan like, before decide which style is fit to your body, then it's okay to train one with another in a same time.
By the way, I live in Germany. If I can help you more, let me know! :)
salam,
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Hi Eric,
Thank you for your reply and for the infomation you presented to me regarding silat curriculum in Europe.I total agree with you that it would be hard for someone to master the three styles that I asked about.My inquiry is to find a teacher/teachers of silat to see which stlye would suits me.The basic cikalong I have seen from Cecep DVD'S look of interest as I prefer to stay upright and on my feet,but having said that the Pamacan has caught my eye.
I would welcome the offer from a teacher/teachers to see more as Im limited to what I have seen on DVD and I know that silat is much more deeper than what is presented on a tape/DVD.
You asked me what am I looking for from silat?Well Im looking for self defence,bottom Line.I prefer pukulan,sweeping/throwing to locking systems.weapons training is also something of interest to me like Kerambit,Golok,plus other assorted bladed weapons,Tongkat.
Best Regards,
stevie.
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Hello Bradlee,
Thank you for welcoming me to the forum.Im looking forward to learning about Pencak Silat from all you guy's.
What method of play do you study and do you teach in Germany?
All the best,
Stevie.
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Hi Stevie,
We still don't know where you from ;)
Reading your reply ZI suggest you start training Panglipur first, Panglipur is not a "style/Aliran" but a "club/Perguruan"
In Panglipur there are movements and techniques from Cimande, Cikalong, Sera and a few others, what I know from Panglipur (from their teachers and students) is that it is very complete and a good fundament for going into a quest (and specilaize) for searching the background of an "Aliran"
I have to warn you, if you want to go this deep, you have to be doing this dedicated and full time, by training a few times a week you never be able to specialize.
Personaly I have tried to go as deep as possible, (and I came quite far) but we have family and we have to feed them also :) so I had to stop that pase again and have switched back a view gears.
Are you willing to give up at least 5 years of your live ? and just doing nothing else then training ??
Wel let me know my friend, If you do then there are options.
Just going over to a place to train a few weeks only gives you a piece of the skin (kulit) but not the so important insides (issi)
kind regards
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Salam Kang EricB
Hi Stevie,
...., what I know from Panglipur (from their teachers and students) is that it is very complete and a good fundament for going into a quest (and specilaize) for searching the background of an "Aliran"
... I have the same opinion. "Panglipur" can offer a lot when it comes to the points discussed here ... but of course "Padjadjaran Nasional" doesn't have to put it's light in the shade. And "Mande Muda" would be a good idea also.
By the way, is there any player in Europe doing traditional (= Sundanese) style "Sera (-Depok)" solely? I never heard of that.
Salam, Uwe
P.S.:
Did you get my DVD?
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Hello Uwe, how are you
Yes I got it, but forgot to reply because "yet" of my recent heart infarct
but I know the Pajadjaran people on the clip, one of them is Rudy Tarpi (in yellow)he's one of teh guys I trained with a lot of times.
From Sinar Cimande that is Pak Odih himself, I know him wel
I take a look at it again, there where other people I recognized
BTW I'm quit interested to see the complete version :)
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Hallo hiyafolks,
My basic style, like most of Sundanese children in my region (Garut), was Cimande.
Then I put my passion on Sabandar/Cikalong style until now.
I train Sabandar/Cikalong which put emphasis on speed/punching (Maenpo Peupeuhan).
And also other Sabandar/Cikalong style which give more close style on fighting.
But, both of them train on how to find "rasa". [top]
Although both of style came from a same big main style (Sabandar/Cikalong), but I found it's very hard to train both of style simultaneously. Also, I have to sacrifice other style to follow the other style rules (kaedah). :'(
It's to give you a little bit more description on difficulties to combine a traditional pencak silat style (at least in my case). ;D
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Hi Eric,
Thank you for your time and help.I would love to take five years away from work and family to train,but with my western life style it wont happen.
Best regards,
stevie
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Dear Bradlee,
Thank you for informing me of the Pencak Silat style's that you study.The cikalong sound great with the emphasis on punching and it's close fighting style.where does one get the chance to learn cikalong in Europe?you can always PM if you like if you know of anyone thats keeps a low profile that could help? Are there any weapons trainig involed in your cikalong style that you train?
Regards
stevie.
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By the way, is there any player in Europe doing traditional "style Depok" solely? I never heard of that.
Hallo,
This man is a "Depok" player. He has studied this style in Indonesia in the middle of the '80. He is 50 years old and lived in Milan.
You can see in this video a couple of depok tecnique, let me know please what do you think about it.
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu4VvGIfr2k
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Hallo hiyafolks,
To be honest, I don't know any Cikalong practitioner with deep knowledges, living and willing to teach in UK. But UK, together with Holland and France, are center of Pencak Silat in Europe. Then I believe, it would not very hard for you to find one Cikalong practitioner there.
Most of all, we have to thanks to this site (Sahabatsilat.com) and FP2STI. Because of them and their community, a traditional Pencak Silats, like Cikalong, are now better well known. [top]
And hiyafolks, here's a vid about a Sabandar/Cikalong style which put emphasis on speed and punching (Maenpo Peupeuhan). This video is about Maenpo Peupeuhan Adung Rais. Hope you enjoy it.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA-1BwwHdmk[/youtube]
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Thank you for the reply Bradlee,
The video that you presented to me was a little diffrent to what I have see Bambang suwanda and Cecep do regarding Cikalong on video,but I enjoyed the material.
I will keep up my search and hopefully I might find some light at the end of the tunel.There is a invitation for any Cikalong teacher that would be willing to come to the UK to teach me and few guys that I know over a weekend or if they would be willing to invite me over to Europe for training with them.Rasa sounds like something that would help my silat training.
Stevie
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Hello bradlee,
Hallo hiyafolks,
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And hiyafolks, here's a vid about a Sabandar/Cikalong style which put emphasis on speed and punching (Maenpo Peupeuhan). This video is about Maenpo Peupeuhan Adung Rais. Hope you enjoy it.
thank you very much for giving the link to the video. Fantastic material, it knocks me off my feet!
I had heard many times about the kacapi suling music in the Maenpo Peupeuhan Adung Rais. Even a Dutch colleague of mine, Wim van Zanten, was in close correspondence with the late Uking Sukri, one of the kacapi players that accompanied this schools' kembangan in the 1980-1990ies. But, unfortunately, I never got an opportunity to watch and listen to it my self. So, this is a premiere to me. Beautiful!
One remark to the movement art: The Peupeuhan of course is a very special appearance form of traditional Penca Sunda. The relationships to ameng Cikalong and Sabandar are clearly to be seen, but it is quite different in relation to speed, and in relation to leg movements. The Peupeuhan uses much more power and straightforwardness. In West Java, many players told me
"there is no arts aspect in Pukulan/Peupeuhan, this Penca may not be of interest for your studies on kembangan and music".
As I see now, this is surely not fitting for the Adung Rais school.
Thank you for this hint,
All the best
Uwe
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Hallo Uwe,
Thanks for replying. We know Wim Van Zanten. He is a great nice guy! Please send our greeting to him.
And if you look more closer, the young guy with blue uniform on first examples of "Usik-usikan" (the clips wa taken on early 90-er), and also at the end of the vid (end 2007), is Gan-gan Garmana, a son of Uking Sukri, who was a close collegue of Wim Van Zanten.
Gan-gan has a great skill on Kacapi Suling, like his father.
And from video, we can see a little bit on how was his developtment (From early 90-er until 2007). For me it's really interesting.
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Hallo bradlee,
this is surely one of the beautiful things of our time: You can meet people via the Internet you never would have imagined to meet. So, I am discussing with you now about a Tembang Sunda musician, who all the years since I learned to know him - or better to say, his music - from the recordings Wim van Zanten made of him accompanied my ways, placeing his music into my head.
Here in front of me, on my table, I have an old vinyl record, entitled "Sunda - Musique et chants traditionels". The musicians are Uking Sukri on kacapi, and Burhan Sukarma on suling. It was recorded by Wim van Zanten in August 1973 (!!!), that is 35 years ago. And we are discussing about the son of one of the musicians, and his improvements in Maenpo Peupeuhan Adung Rais. Let us have a big cheers! to the inventors of this medium, and let's have a big cheers! to the "tuan rumah halaman ini". Please send Gan-gan Garmana my greetings, whose father I learned to have been a great musician.
This world is a good place to be ! 8)
bradlee, I will remember your greetings next time I meet Wim, sure.
By the way, you are located in "Garut Pakidulan"? Where there? I have been in Garut, Pameungpeuk, Cikelet, and Kampung Dukuh. And at the "Cilauteureun". One of my partners 1995 lived in Pameungpeuk, his name is pendekar Pak Nono Kandouw, from IPSI Pameungpeuk. If you happen to know him, please send him my kindest regards.
Hey folks here on the board - you are looking for a place and people full of Sundanese beauty and magic? Go to the "Garut Pakidulan" area! Breathtaking people, and breathtaking views.
Hatur nuhun,
Uwe
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Uwe, als du über Pameungpeuk bisschen erzählt, es war für mich auch eine grosse Überraschung. So the legend about you is true. Your knowledges about silat “bukanlah main-main”. We are very proud to have a master like you, Eric and other “dulur jauh ti Kulon”.
It’s very hard to find a silat practitioner like you and Eric, which know silat “bukan kulit nya saja”, but dive to its culture and its core, a “silaturahmi”. [top]
About Garut Pakidulan, Yes… I’m very proud to have a part in my blood as “urang kidul” (Now, I’m also proud as “Niedersachsener”). One of my forefathers came from Cikelet and I also learned pencak silat for the very first time from my Uwa, from Cikajang (then move to Panawuan. You can find some vids in my youtube’s channel. The Paguron is Putra Siliwangi).
Yes, Pameungpeuk and region is very beautiful. Santolo beach, Cilauteureun, Ranca Buaya, and many… I know this region well and miss them much. But I was there not for silat, so about Pak Nono Kandouw, sorry I don’t know him. I was born in Garut Kota, grown up in Samarang (Garut) and Bandung. And I think, for Pak Nono, I'm just "anak kecil" saja. But still, it will make me very proud if I can meet him and send your greeting. :)
Back to the topic about Cianjuran and Uking Sukri. Still one surprise for you.
If you look again in the vids, you can find him (and also Pak Burhan Sukarma) in minute 1:40 – 2:04. There are, from left to right, Uking Sukri, Pak Burhan, Pak Edi, Kang Ade and Pak Adung Rais.
Yes Uwe, this world is a good place to be ;D
And I’m sorry to other forum’s member if this post is getting a little bit personal and emotional.
Let's us cheers! :D
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nice to learn about Traditional Martial Art in this forum... i know this site from google...
lets share your knowladge Bradlee.....
where you live in germany.... My friend in the Gottingen University...
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I live in Hannover. Probably, I know your friends.
When he lives in Göttingen, he should know to Bang Doel.
I come often to him, just ask him (or his brother who lives in Hannover) about me. :)
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Ok maybe next time i will looking for "Bang Doel".... Thanks for your info.....
C u..... Mr Bradlee... [thank]