Forum Sahabat Silat
English Version => Pencak Silat Schools and Teachers => Topic started by: AbdUllah on 23/07/2007 05:08
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Salamat Pesilatan
i hope i find you all in the best of health, strength and iman.
I was just wondering how famous Cecep A Rahman and Panglipur are in Indonesia and what people's opinion of it is? I have not been able to find too much information but from what i have seen it seems to be a very nice style and very strong, and Cecep Rahman seems to be a wonderful pesilat with sooo much skill.
Here is an example that i have seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIbOArWGAVM
Wa salam
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Salamat Pesilatan
i hope i find you all in the best of health, strength and iman.
I was just wondering how famous Cecep A Rahman and Panglipur are in Indonesia and what people's opinion of it is? I have not been able to find too much information but from what i have seen it seems to be a very nice style and very strong, and Cecep Rahman seems to be a wonderful pesilat with sooo much skill.
Here is an example that i have seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIbOArWGAVM
Assalamualaikum, Abdullah,
Wa salam
Panglipur is a respected silat school here and Cecep. A Rahman is a very good pesilat, as you can see in the vid. How would you compare his movement to the deadly Cimande Sanders vids on youtube?
Wassalam,
Bram.
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Haha
i dont know
originally i would have prefered sanders' "cimande" because of it's graceful movements, but recently i have been studying them sparing because that is the whole point of silat, seni without beladiri is just useless dancing, and i could go to a disco if i wanted that ;D (a udhu bilah) ... nah im kidding, but it does seem a little awkward and now i am thinking that i would kinda be more impressed by Panglima... AHEM.. i mean Panglipur :w x-))
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Assalamua'laikum,
I personnaly know Cecep A. Rahman, He cames to France for seminars and he stayed in my house. I also met him in West Java. I trained with him and you can believe me.... this guy is amazing !! [top]
Great skills (Seni AND Beladiri) and he is also a knowledge book about aliran, history.... about Pencak Silat.
I've to add also that Cecep is a SO NICE person, low profile...
Wassalam
Gorka
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Salam AbdUllah,
Panglipur is my family along with Maenpo Cikalong in West Java. Panglipur is a very powerful and beautiful style. It incorporates elements of all the traditional Sundanese (West Javan) Pencak.
Styles like (Cimande,Serak,Cikalong,Jalak Pinkor,etc...) The current
head of Panglipur is Ibu Enny in Garut. She is 90 years old and moves like she is in her 30's. I haven't had the pleasure of meeting
Kang Acep because when I was staying with Ibu Enny he was in France but I have heard only great things about him. There are so many great Sundanese masters of Panglipur to choose from. You should try Pak H. Adang just outside of Bandung, Pak H.Uho(my teacher) along with Kang Erwin and Ibu Betty in Bandung, or of course Ibu Enny and Kang Acep in Garut. Panglipur, from the outside, looks like a lot of Seni(art) and indeed there is a lot of Seni, but believe me - it gets much deeper as you progress !! If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
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I apologize, in the above post I used the name Kang Acep but I meant Kang Cecep. Kang Acep is my Cikalong brother.
Salam,
Nicholas
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MashaAllah brother sundawarrior
you studied in Garut? that must have been amazing?
And how does cikalong differ from panglipur?
Does panglipur often make animal-like movements (such as the children in the youtube video i gave above)?
I have been looking for video clips of cikalong but thus far i cant find any. Thus far i have only found a video by cecep rahman that i am hoping to buy when i can afford it. http://www.saudara-kaum.fr/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=76 have you seen it?
Peace
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ps... Gorka, when is he next coming to France?
Peace
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AbdUllah,
I was only in Garut for two days to visit the inheritor of Panglipur "Ibu Enny." I stayed at her house and we did
some training and i got to see some incredible demos.
Garut is a beautiful village in the mountain regions outside
of Bandung. If I am not mistaken this is where Kang Cecep
lives and trains. I did see some animal movement in Panglipur -
mainly monyet and macan (monkey and tiger) but i didn't have enough time to learn any. From my experience, Panglipur has some
Cikalong influence. The fouder of Panglipur "Bapak Abah Aleh" studied under the Sahbandar/Cikalong lineage for a period of time.
So you will see some similarities like the use of nempel and tempel (something like wing chun sticky hands but not the same). Cikalong is however a very in depth Sundanese system which involves many years of training to develop "rasa" or feeling. From what I have seen in Panglipur only the old masters who have studied for "many" years have been able to develop this rasa to a higher level like the teachers of Maenpo Cikalong. Like the teachers I mentioned above. Panglipur doesn't seem to focus on any one system
(like Cimande,Cikalong) but instead incorporates a little of all Sunda culture. From my thoughts of Panglipur it seems like once a pesilat finishes the curriculum of Panglipur he then has the knowledge to specialize in whatever his heart leads him to whether it be Cimande, Serak,Cikalong,etc... Maenpo Cikalong is a separate system with its very unique methods and beautiful history.
Salam,
Nicholas
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... Panglipur doesn't seem to focus on any one system
(like Cimande,Cikalong) but instead incorporates a little of all Sunda culture. From my thoughts of Panglipur it seems like once a pesilat finishes the curriculum of Panglipur he then has the knowledge to specialize in whatever his heart leads him to whether it be Cimande, Serak,Cikalong,etc... Maenpo Cikalong is a separate system with its very unique methods and beautiful history.
Salam,
Nicholas
From Cak O'ong's book it appears that Panglipur was created to entertain a Sundanes nobleman who was unwell. So it is like a compilation of everything Sundanese, designed to entertain in performance. But because in silat there is no real separration of seni and beladiri (beladiri is seni and the seni is seni beladiri) what is beautiful is also effective.
Cikalong is a different story. There are two great English articles on www.sahabatsilat.org . If I had the opportunity to study a Sundanes silat I would chose Cikalong, just because I have seen very old men throw young men around as if by magic. Cimande is much more forcefull. Read the articles in the site above. Abdullah, Cikalong might just be the Sufi silat you are looking for.
Wasalam,
Bram.
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Assalamua'laikum Abdullah,
Kang Cecep A. Rahman will come around march 2008 for 2-3 months in France.
He'll come with the IPSI official team including other great teachers.
They'll perform demonstration in Paris for the "International Pencak Silat Open" (I don't have the exact date yet). Then Kang Cecep will make seminars in deifferent french schools (probably including mine :))
Wassalam
Gorka
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Salam Mas Bram
Al7amdulIllah i think maybe it is possible you are right, inshaAllah i will check out cikalong. BarakAllah feek for being a caring brother, this quality is rare these days in life, God bless you.
and Gorka my friend,
I was thinking, when our silat group forms back here (even though i will be gone by march but for their benefit) maybe we could discuss Cecep Rahman coming to do a seminar here? Or 2 maybe? That may not be convient or practical, but if he was interested possibly we could try to arrange something? I am very interrested presently in trying to arrange some silat seminars with silat masters, because we have dozens of other types of seminars going off at anyone one time, so we should be able to get some silat seminars too.
Maybe we could organise a silat seminar with yourself over the summer too? :)
Peace
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Salam Kang Abdullah,
Your idea to make a seminar with kang Cecep in your school could be great.
On my side, of course, I would love to make a semianr in your school too.
I've got a simple question : "where is you school ?" ;D
For more details, you can also contact me privatly at :
cimandefrance@yahoo.fr
Happy to know more about your school and your studies... :)
wassalam
Gorka
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http://www.saudara-kaum.fr/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=76
So has anybody seen this seminar video by Cecep Rahman before?
Does anyone think it would be a good investment? I feel that one can not truely learn silat from a video, but i think that one can get a feeling for or a flavour of it in a limited sense, so would this be a beneficial acquisition?
Peace
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i know all about panglipur kang cecep i know him for a long time ? [top]
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Ass.Ww.
PutraPanglipur wrote: "i know all about panglipur kang cecep i know him for a long time..."
Punten manawi teukaabotan ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^, dupi Putra Panglipur teh saha linggih dimana teras ciri-cirina kumaha bilih kaabotan nyebatkeun jenengan mah? Nuhun
Wass.
Abah Frais
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wass. wr.wb
pribados mah sanes sasaha :) kaleresan mamih enny teh pun nini pribados mah ti tahun 1992 jadi tukang ngaheurinan di panglipur hapunten tea aya maksad nanaon mung ngiring bingah hungkul manawi ka tampi ! :-P
jentrena pribados erwin kaleresan linggih di bandung caket sareng kasepuhan H UHO sareng Kang Asep sareng rengrengan Pangurus anu aya di bdg x-))
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Punten dulur-dulur
tidak semua anggota kita ngerti Bahasa Sunda, lebih bagus diskusi di lanjut dalam Bahasa Indonesia
supaya orang lain bisa ikut
sateuacana haturnuhun
Baktos, ti Eric
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Ass.Ww.
Nuhun pisan Putra Pangliur 8)
As Pa Eric asked us to continue with english or bahasa conversation, after now, in this forum we can do that (moreover my english sometime acak-acakan....) :-P.
How about Satu Abad Panglipur for next year, its already fix with the time of the ceremony and schedulle? it will arround the beginning of August 2009 like the decision before or it still can be changed? And is it also open for another school for joining?
I think better if you don't mind, kang Putra Panglipur can explain and make the advertisement about it in this forum....Thank you.
Salam Baktos kanggo ka Pa Uho, Kang Asep oge rengrengan pengurus sanesna...
Abah Faris
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maaf saya berbicara bahasa indonesia karena bahasa inggris saya acak - acakan tentang satu abad panglipur kami sedang melakukan beberapa penyesuaian dengan cabang - cabang dan teman - teman kami di dalam dan di luar negeri selaku guest house kami ingin semua hadir pada waktu nya, sampai pada waktunya kami akan memberikan kabar pada sahabat silat di sini
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untuk saya tidak jadi soal kita bicara Bahasa Indonesia disini (walaupun bagian ini Bagian Inggris)
invasi orang Amrik yang "saltau" sudah selesai dan forum kami lagi damai x-))
yang masih ada dan mengerti adalah wong londo yang punya pikrian lebih luas, (termasuk gue sendiri)
silahkan perbanding dengan yang datang untuk menganggu saja :-X
Hayooo teruskan saja 8)
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Salam Eric B saya Eric C (Chatelier) apah kabar? Ma'af bahasa Indonesia saya kurang...
Kang Cecep sekarang ada di Indonesia dia berangkat tanggal 11 dari Paris.
Saya juga pikir susah belajar dengan DVD, tapi cukup bagus untuk cobah dan merasah suka atau tidak gerakan dari Perguruan.
Memang nga mungkin satu Pesilat bisa belajar langkap dengan DVD karena nga ada rasah langsung dan kurang details!
Tapi dari dulu hanya DVD dari UK atau Amerika... sekarang orang bisa liat Pencak dari Pesilat punya silsilah dengan Perguruan dan nga mauh berkembang dia, tapi Perguruan dia (dan Pencak di dalam kata global).
Kang Cecep orang baik sekali dengan teknik tinggi dan ilmu padi kuat...
Salam Persaudaraan
Eric Chatelier
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Hello Eric, how are you ( a long time ago, to long maybe)
you can freely communicate in English in this section, no problem
Welcom to our forum, I hope you share your knowledge with us
Wassalam,
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I'm fine thank you, yes long times ago but you left all activities in Netherlands and no more oportunity to meat each others...
I come on this forum to learn because I can see a lot of Pesilat who have a lot of knowledge and I don't think I can share info that you don't know !!!
But I'm very happy to be able to comunicat with old, and new, friends who are real lover of Pencak. Pencak is still my blood and like a virus can't not stop running in my body!!!
Congratulation for this very good forum, where we can find good info from good Pesilat.
Salam Persaudaraan
Eric C
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Bonjour mon ami,
If you realy know what is going on in Holland then you understand why you don't see me on events anymore
I didn't leave, I was forced to leave (the political BS in Holland is beyond imagination)
I don't want to kiss peoples behind to do my job as a Wasit, you know who I am and what I stand for,
some people on the Dutch Board see me as an outsider who doesn't know anything because I'm just a Bule
I'm still patience Eric, I'll be back, in due time, I have the same virus, you know it :)
regards
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Fully respect for both of you, Eric B and Eric C [top]
I hope that virus stay for ever in your blood x-))
Like what already happened to Pesilat before us :D
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Dear Eric,
I know your situation... Just wait and see, when the condition and situation will be good!
Semua jaman punya lebih dan Kurang, kita hanya sebentar di dunya... untuk apah bingung sendiri!
I still remember the World championships when we was in Jakarta as W/J, I thank you a lot because I learn a lot during this event.
I hope that we will be able, one day to spend times together when I will be in Kang Cecep house or in Bandung with Kang Gending!
Dear Bradlee,
Your knowledge of Pencak is very interesting, please share to us, what you know it will be a big benefit.
My familly of Pencak is a combination of Pencak Silat from Sumatra and Java so I like to learn and understand more better my familly with new knwoledge.
Salam Persaudaraan
PS: I'm very dispointe, I was thinking that some one can help me to get some info about Permata Sakti and Pusaka Jakarta... !!!!
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Dear Eric C...welcome aboard!
Your question about Pusaka Jakarta has been respond by Bang Iwan in your thread "Cari Info Tentang Putra Betawi...". Please feel free to contact him or Gedung Hydro Community...they suffer silat virus as well :D
Wassalam,
TP
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Dear Taufan,
Thank you for your post, normaly Kang Cecep will do it directly in Indonesia, it will be easear for him !
Thank you again
Salam Persaudaraan
Eric
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Eric C. Apah kabar?
This is Nick from the U.S. How is everything in France? I hope everything is going well. I will be in Germany in July for 2 weeks but i dont know if I will have time to visit you in Paris. I will also be back in Java in early August. I am sure I will run into you eventually. Welcome to the forum !
Salam dan hormat,
Nicholas
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Kabar Baiiiiiik,
I'm happy to see that a lot of friends are very actif on this Forum!
If you come to Paris, please, you are welcome! You already know the place...
I will be in Indonesia in Augustus (Jakarta, Sunda and Sumatra), maybe we can have the opportunity to meet each others in Jakarta !!!??
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Eric C
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Eric C.
I am glad to hear you are doing well. I will most likely be in Java from August 8-22. Please let me know when you will be there"?" and I will try to meet you at IPSI or somewhere in Java. Terima kasih "lagi" untuk semua bantu anda.
Nicholas