Philosophical musings on our arts

[D]

“His response is that he has been teaching seminars on these techniques for many years, long before these tapes were made by this person. He in fact did see the advertisement for the tapes when they first came out and attempted to contact this individual, to see whether he learned his techniques in Indonesia or not.Pendekar Sanders says that these tapes seem to leave out certain key elements which make the energy passes effective”


When I first read your technique which incorporates passes over meridians, either increasing the energy or shorting it out I immediately thought of the 12 qi disruption forms of Erle Montigue. Its interesting that your teacher has also had contact with Erle and studied the tapes!
BTW Erle says it is possible to put someone asleep with this technique but not from a distance, you have to be very close for it to work.


“My teacher says that another person by the name of George Dillman practices something which is similar to the PCP stuff, and we are on friendly terms with him. I believe one of our gurus actually gave some lessons at a few of his training camps.”

Erle Montigue is also aware of George Dillman and in fact has wrote an article on him, follow the link below

http://www.taiji-qigong.co.uk/Free_To_Download/Erle's%20Articles/Articles/george.htm
http://www.taiji-qigong.co.uk/Free_To_Download/Erle's%20Articles/Articles/dillman_and_me.htm

There have also been televised study’s on both George Dillman and one of his students, follow the links below.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JM_qg5d1YGI

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pdrzBL2dHMI


You said :

“ George Dillman practices something which is similar to the PCP stuff, and we are on friendly terms with him” ?

[f4iz]

Peace Faiz,
I’ve been in touch with my teacher regarding your questions.
I also asked him about the link with the techniques posted above. His response is that he has been teaching seminars on these techniques for many years, long before these tapes were made by this person. He in fact did see the advertisement for the tapes when they first came out and attempted to contact this individual, to see whether he learned his techniques in Indonesia or not.

Hi Russian Silat..
Thanks for your response. I wasn't refering to any individual when I said similar things are seen in other silat styles or even Chinese Martial Arts. I think in Chinese arts they have the concept of tapping the cosmos energy. That's why some chinese masters are able to perform techniques in long succession without getting winded. They borrow the energy of the universe. To sceptics of the taping energy concept these masters are just in better shape than others that's why they don't get tired easily or they perform the techniques so slow you can do a million of these before you're out of breath
In any case, they are able to feel the energy of the animals they perform in their forms. That's why we see the difference for example, between a new student practicing the tiger form and a master practicing the tiger form. Whereas the new student performs the mechanical aspect of the techniques, the masters perform the energy aspect of the techniques. I used CMA as an example since there is more literature about them out there compared to Silat.

My teacher says that another person by the name of George Dillman practices something which is similar to the PCP stuff, and we are on friendly terms with him. I believe one of our gurus actually gave some lessons at a few of his training camps.

I think George Dillman does Kyorho Kempo ? It's basically similar to Dim Mak. At a higher level the practitioner is able to transmit energy to the vital points without touching the person. I don't know if it can make a person faint or not from a distance. But in a Demo George did that.
They had pressure points on the news a while back ago. They asked a pressure point teacher (under George Dillman's school) to do a demonstration. It worked on his students but when asked if to try it on the reporter it didn't work. The teacher was also asked to try it on students from another school, it didn't work either.
When asked why it didn't work, George Dillman explained that if the person's tongue is or the toes are in a certain position the technique doesn't work. I guess it has something to do with short nerve circuit being complete ?? I don't know.

Regarding mantras, and the 99 most beautiful names.
When any group of people believes in something, an energetic potential is born in the ...

I was curious how PCP generates the tenaga dalam. I was curious, I wanted to know if the techniques you guys practice are similar or different than other styles Indonesian or Non Indonesian styles. Thanks for the explanation.

Regards,

[Russian Silat]

Hello D

Like I said, Pendekar Sanders had already been teaching this stuff for years before those tapes ever came out.

Master Sanders first spoke of these things publicly in his book "Fighting Magic", published in 1987.

When did this other stuff appear?

As I already explained, we tried to contact him because it seemed as if he was doing something similar to us. One of our students brought it to our Master's attention, and we wanted to see if this stuff was for real or not. We ended up not having a relationship with this person.

You say that his stuff doesn't work to render people unconscious. That is because he doesn't teach certain elements related to tensing muscles at certain times, and the proper use of the eyes.

If you think the two systems are related, I suggest you order Pendekar Sanders Ilmu and fighting magic tapes, then compare them with this other guy. You may also be able to get a copy of "Fighting Magic". Then you will be in a position to compare.

Before then, you are just talking to the wind.


-Russian Silat

[Russian Silat]

Would anyone be offended if I posted some quotes which I love from the Quran?

[EricB]

I think that won't be a good idea

people can be offended by that

besides that, ............. it has nothing to do with this topic

[Russian Silat]

Okay, glad I asked. I wanted to give scriptural support for some of the things I discussed earlier.

-Russian Silat

[D]

Hello D

Like I said, Pendekar Sanders had already been teaching this stuff for years before those tapes ever came out.

Master Sanders first spoke of these things publicly in his book "Fighting Magic", published in 1987.

When did this other stuff appear?


-Russian Silat

I contacted Erle to get the answer to your question, he said:

"Began in 1981! no one has ever taught them before I put them out!"
 

[Russian Silat]

Ask Erle if he thinks Pendekar Sanders teaches the same stuff as he does.

Ask him when he put his first tapes out.

Does Erle teach death touch, or energy passes?

Does his stuff make people lose consciousness?

Are you saying energy passes do not exist in Indoensia, and aren't taught as part of Ilmu?

If our stuff is the same, why do we not touch people?

 Why do we emphasize different aspects of muscle tension and eye focus?

Who are you, and what is your real object in trying to discredit us?

Have you reviewed our materials and done a comparison, or are you still talking to the wind?

-Russian Silat